Song of Songs Chapter 8 -- John Karmelich

 

 

 

1.                  At most weddings one can attend, it usually ends with the pastor or priest presenting the bride and the groom to the audience as a married couple.  A common expression to end the ceremony is, “I now present Mr. & Mrs…”  It is a way for the audience to know that the ceremony is over and they are now a married couple.

a)                  I bring this up because the main topic of Chapter 8 (in my humble opinion J) is the public acceptance of this couple, i.e., King Solomon and his bride.

b)                  Through seven wonderful chapters of Song of Songs we have gone through issues leading up to marriage, the marriage itself, post-marital problems and the restoration of the marriage.  Chapter 8 deals with the last issue of public acceptance.

2.                  Throughout these Bible lessons, I have gone back and forth between describing Song of Songs as a love poem between a happy couple and a description of our relationship with God.

a)                  Song of Songs on the surface is about love in marriage.

i)                    It is a wonderful owner’s manual on how to have a happy marriage.

b)                  Underneath the surface, it is an allegory of our relationship with God.

i)                    Back in the first lesson, I discussed how religious Jews see this book as a relationship between the nation of Israel and God.  This book was written prior to the coming of Jesus and it is an acceptable view, even among Christian scholars. 

a)                  In the book of Hosea, his wife committed harlotry and was sold into slavery.  God tells Hosea to purchase his ex-wife at the slave market.  God tells Hosea to buy her back as a word-picture of how God still loves Israel as a nation.  He refers to Israel as a wife.  (See Hosea 1:2 and 3:1-2)

ii)                  Christians are described as the “bride of Christ” in Revelation 19:7

iii)                The point is one can allegorize Song of Songs as a relationship between God and believers and have biblical support for this view.

3.                  With that all said, it’s time for the bad news.  J  Let me quote something Jesus said:

a)                  “Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”  Luke 12:51-53, NIV

i)                    Well now, that it not good.  J  If you go to a Christian book store and pick up a little topical book called “God’s Promises®”, I suspect they probably forget to include this little promise by Jesus.  J  I should add in all fairness say that
I happen to own, and like that book, but you get the point I’m trying to make.

ii)                  Why did I mention this?  Because the issue at hand here in Song of Songs Chapter 8 is public acceptance of their marriage.

iii)                That is why I tied this prediction Jesus made with the Song of Songs.  There is an issue of public acceptance and often a lack thereof.  This will become clearer as we actually get into the text itself.

iv)                Why is that?  Why is it say, when you publicly declare your allegiance to God and publicly declare that you are trusting in Jesus for your salvation, the world does not stand up and applaud?  In an indirect way, that is the same question as asking why is there division over Jesus.

v)                  The first answer is “spiritual”.  Remember Satan’s purpose is to delay and prevent as long as possible the return of Jesus.  There are a fixed number of people who will become believers before Jesus’ second coming (See Romans 11:25).  Nobody but God the Father knows that specific number.  Every new person that declares Jesus as their Savior makes that specific number one person closer to that reality.  Therefore, Satan isn’t too crazy about new people becoming Christians.

a)                  Therefore, there is spiritual hostility to you becoming a Christian.

vi)                That spiritual hostility manifests itself with opposition to your faith, often times through family members, thus the “family division” that Jesus spoke about.

vii)              Further, even without Satan behind it, one of the functions of the Holy Spirit is to convict people of their sins.  If others around you see you changing your life to serve Jesus, there is guilt (conviction) within them, often stated aloud as saying, “What’s wrong with me?” or “Are you some holier-than-thou person who is now better than me?  The correct answer is “No, just forgiven.  Out of gratitude of that forgiveness I choose to live my life differently”.

4.                  Let’s get back to Song of Songs.  As I read through Chapter 8 over and over again, I kept seeing an interpretation of Chapter 8 to fit this biblical truth.  One can read this chapter and see how it deals with the issue of public acceptance.

a)                  Yes there are other interpretations.  Many of them are excellent and biblically supported.

b)                  One thing that one has to remember about bible studies is that one cannot exhaust the Word of God.  Each week before I start I ask God to show me the things he wants me to learn and what things he wants me to pass on to the reader.  I write about 10-12 pages each week.  That is not enough to exhaust every possibility.  Therefore, I limit what I write based on that weekly prayer.

c)                  Remember also that Song of Songs is considered one of the toughest books in the Bible to interpret.  About 10% of the words used in Song of Songs are not used anywhere else in the Bible.  Good biblical expositors vary widely on their views, and usually have other text in the Bible to back up that view.

d)                 Bottom line, take what I say with a grain of salt, and read the Bible for yourself and see if you agree.  Now that I’ve gotten all my disclaimers out of my system, let’s start.  J

5.                  Chapter 8, Verse 1:  If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me.

a)                  The bride is speaking.  To understand this verse, you have to understand the culture of that time.

i)                    It was considered unacceptable to kiss your wife or husband in public.

ii)                  Any sort of public affection, even hand holding by a husband and wife is taboo.

iii)                Yet, public affection between brother and sister was considered acceptable.

iv)                Part of the reason has to do with the belief that that affection between husband and wife is to be best left in private.  If a brother and sister are showing some sort of affection, “That’s ok, because nothing will become of it, well, because they’re brother and sister.”

v)                  The other reason is the importance of family structure.  The family or “clan” is considered superior to the individual.  Therefore, public display between two family members glories that family over the individual.

vi)                Therefore, when the bride is speaking here, she is saying in effect, “Oh my darling husband, how I want to express my love to you publicly.  I wish you were like a brother, where it is culturally acceptable to kiss you publicly.”

vii)              If you reread verses 1 and 2, this should now make more sense.

b)                  Let’s go back to my opening theme of public acceptance.  She loves her man so much she wants to show publicly how much she loves him.  She can’t because it is not socially acceptable to show your love. 

i)                    Boy, does that ever describe our Christian life.

ii)                  I can’t tell you how many times I have heard the expression, “Well, its ok to love Jesus, just don’t go around telling people.  It’s not polite you know.  It’s not socially acceptable.”  At this verse she is hoping it was possible to be socially acceptable.

iii)                You can see how this verse is not only about publicly showing love for your husband in a culture that is not socially acceptable, but to publicly show your love for Jesus in a world that does not want more people to accept Jesus.

6.                  Verse 2:  I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates.

a)                  In Verse 2, the bride is still describing her desire to want to show public affection for her man.  She is describing her desire to bring Solomon back to the house she grew up and make love to him there.  (It sounds somewhat creepy in our culture, but I’ll explain further.  J)

i)                    Remember from Chapter 7 that she is making love somewhere with Solomon and she is describing her desire to go away with him on some romantic adventure. 

ii)                  The thought continues into Chapter 8.  Remember that she is a farm girl who grew up working in the vineyards.  To paraphrase the end of Chapter 7 and these two verses, she is saying in effect “Hey Solomon, let’s get away from the royal palaces and have a romantic trip out to the country.  Let’s go to the vineyards and see if the grapes are blooming and the pomegranates are budding.  While the fruit is blooming, we can make our love bloom too!  In fact, let’s go back to my parents house.  There I wish I could show public affection like I could for my brothers”.

b)                  Remember that for a Jewish girl, one’s education comes from two sources:  First, from her mother, and then from her husband. 

i)                    A woman grows and matures by an education from her family and then her husband..

ii)                  In Verse 2 she describes her mother as “one who has taught her”.

a)                  She is now asking Solomon to pick up where her mother left off.

b)                  There is the possibility that we are talking about lovemaking itself.  Perhaps her mother trained her in how to please her man.  Now she is ready to take that training on to the next step!  J 

c)                  Maybe that’s why she wants to go back to the house of her parents.  That’s the area where she was trained in this area and it is a place of comfort to her to make love to her man.

d)                 Again it is important to emphasize that this sounds a little disgusting to our modern western culture, but you have to remember the eastern style and culture of which this story takes place.

c)                  The last part of this verse says that she will give Solomon “spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates”.

i)                    “Spiced wine” is a reference to hardened liquor.

ii)                  The topic of Christians and drinking is a long, open discussion.

a)                  There are many Christians who can argue from the Bible it is never right for a Christian to drink wine ever.

b)                  There are many Christians who can argue from the Bible that is ok to drink, but not to get drunk.  The question is where to draw the line.

iii)                The problem is that Solomon himself that that it is not appropriate for kings to drink hard liquor: 

a)                  “It is not for kings, O Lemuel, (a nickname for Solomon), It is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes intoxicating drink;  Lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the justice of all the afflicted.” 
(Proverbs 31:4-5, NKJV)

b)                  This verse was given as advice from Solomon’s mother to Solomon and written by Solomon in Chapter 31 of Proverbs.

c)                  It argues that kings shouldn’t get drunk because it impairs their judgment as a king.

d)                 So how does one reconcile that fact with Solomon, the author of Song of Songs describing through the girl in effect, “Hey honey, let’s go over to mom and dad’s and I’ll pour you a strong one”?  J

e)                  The answer is I don’t believe she is talking about alcohol here, but her love.  Notice the last part of Verse 2 says “nectar of my pomegranates”.

(1)               She is comparing her love as sweet and joyful.

(2)               The love between a husband and wife should be as intoxicating as strong drink.  It is to say, “Honey, I’m drunk with love over you!”

(3)               Remember Song of Songs Chapter 1, Verse 2:

(a)               “Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth—for your love is more delightful than wine.”  (Songs 1:2, NIV)

7.                  Verse 3:  His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me.

a)                  This is a word-for-word repeat of Chapter 2, Verse 6.

i)                    In fact, Verse 4 is a word-for-word repeat of Chapter 2 Verse 7.  We’ll get to that one in a minute.  J

b)                  In Verse 3, this is a sexual desire by the bride.  It is a desire for Solomon’s arm to be under her head while his other arm sexually embraces her.

i)                    Guys, take note here.  Women love this stuff.  J

ii)                  Remember to read this in context of the surrounding verses.  In Verses 1 and 2 she is describing her desire to be with her man at her parents house.

iii)                I believe in Verse 3 she is visualizing (desiring) the actual embrace of Solomon.

iv)                She is telling Solomon of her love by him by telling him how she desires to be held and fondled.

a)                  Girls, this verse is a reminder that men need a clue.  J

b)                  Gently, and lovingly tell them how you like to make love prior to starting.  It is important and essentially to share your needs and desires with your spouse so they can fulfill those needs.  We as men, are not mind readers.  We need to be told over and over again until it sinks in.  J

c)                  Going back to our analogy of us and God, tell God your desires.  Yes God can read your mind and He knows your thoughts.  Still, He desires that you express those desires to Him.  This way, it glorifies God when those prayers are fulfilled.

8.                  Verse 4:  Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you: Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires.

a)                  Not only is this verse a word-for-word repeat of Songs 2:7, but also of Songs 3:5.

b)                  So the big question is why is it repeated?

c)                  The text doesn’t give answers, so we are free to speculate.  J

d)                 In Chapter 2, this is about the courtship leading up to the marriage.

i)                    I believe that reference is a warning about pre-martial sex.  The bible is real clear on this.  If one surveys couples who have been married a long time, you will find that couples who waited to be married are far happier sexually than those who don’t.  Yes there are exceptions, but they are just that.  Those exceptions usually stem from other problems that can be worked out through good biblical counseling.  The point is that the bride is the one charging to the other maidens in this play to wait for the proper time. 

ii)                  The reason she is making this statement is that she is talking with sexual overtones and it is arousing those around her.  Therefore, the necessity of making this charge before them.

e)                  In Chapter 3, we are dealing with the pre-martial relationship, shortly before the wedding.

i)                    Thus, with all the talk of wedding night and lovemaking, the “charge” is repeated to not stir up the desire for lovemaking before the proper time.

ii)                  It is saying in effect, “Just hang in there a little while longer.  Don’t ruin the wedding night”.

f)                   Now here in Chapter 8, close to the end of the book, we have the charge repeated again.

i)                    A lot of opinions are given, so I’ll just add mine to the collection. J

ii)                  A common view is that it is a warning against adultery.  Here is this couple, already married and now in the post-martial relationship, with a now-completed long discussion on restoration of the marriage.  Some see this charge in this view to keep the relationship fresh by not being tempted into adultery at this time.

a)                  As one can imagine, this is a biblical view.  To not commit adultery is one of the 10 commandments.  The problem is (in my humble opinion), while it is a good point, that concept doesn’t fit into the surrounding text.  So with that, let me throw a more wild idea at you.  J

iii)                When you read chapter 8 as a whole, you can see it as a desire for public acceptance of this relationship. 

a)                  In direct context, it is about a simple farm girl marrying a king.  A lot of people, including those of the royal court would think she doesn’t deserve to marry a king.  Thus, there is difficulty in public acceptance.

(1)               The same could be said about our relationship with Jesus.  Why would a perfect God want to “marry” a sinful person like us?  Think of the non-believers telling us, “You call yourself a Christian, look at what a messed up person you are!” 

(2)               God sees us and loves us in a perfected state.  He sees us through “cross-filtered lenses”.  Although we and others may see our faults, God has already forgiven all of our faults and defects, past, present and future.  While we may understand this, the world does not.  Thus the cry for public acceptance.

g)                  Which leads back to my theory of the charge to “don’t stir up love until the proper time”.

i)                    Consider the possibility that this may refer to the second coming of Jesus.

a)                  Revelation Chapters 19:7-9 describe the marriage of Jesus to her church.

(1)               The actual marriage supper banquet is described in these verses.

b)                  In Revelation Chapters 19, Verses 11-16 describe Jesus 2nd coming.

(1)               I believe that we, as believers come along with Him.

(2)               “The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.”  (Revelation 19:14 NIV)

(a)               Fine linen is the clothes of the priests.  We as described as priests of God in Revelation 5:10 and 20:6

(3)               By the way, this is another reason why I believe the rapture of the church happens prior to the 7-year tribulation, commonly known as the pre-tribulation view.  In that view, the church is in heaven during the whole period of wrath.  In the post-tribulation view, the church is not taken into heaven until right before Jesus comes back to wipe out the earth.  In the post-tribulation view, we are taken to heaven for the wedding banquet, then right back to earth for Jesus 2nd coming.  In that view, the wedding supper would have to be a snack lunch as Jesus has post wedding business to attend.  J

ii)                  Sorry about that deviation.  J  Back to Song of Songs.  Now consider the possibility that the bride’s charge to “not stir up love before its time” to refer to Jesus coming back with his “bride” along with him. 

a)                  Here is this bride.  She made the statement in Chapter 7: 
“I belong to my lover, and his desire is for me.”  (Song 7:10 NIV)

b)                  She now realizes that her love is bonded with Solomon and nothing can break it.  She now desires public acceptance.

c)                  Due to the truth of spiritual warfare, that acceptance won’t happen as long as Satan rules this world.  Therefore the charge to don’t stir up love before its time refers to the time when God can publicly show his love for the church after Jesus second coming.

h)                 Remember that this is John’s theory. J I can’t prove that this is the correct application of this verse, but at least I can support it with good Christian end-time theology.

9.                  Verse 5:  Who is this coming up from the desert leaning on her lover?

a)                  Verse 5 is given by a “chorus”.  Some study bibles have this as the “Daughters of Jerusalem” speaking again.  Others say it is somebody else.  The point is whoever is talking, it is neither Solomon nor the bride.  Somebody else is describing them together.

b)                  In our little play of Song of Songs, I see this as the public seeing Solomon leaning on her bride.  In this post-wedding period, it is the public acknowledgement of the bride and groom walking together.

c)                  Remember a few verses back how she was saying, “I wish you were like a brother so I could be openly affectionate with you?”

i)                    This verse is an answer.  To paraphrase, “Wow, look, its Solomon and his bride.  I know its not appropriate for couples to show affection, but here is the king doing it anyway!

a)                  Guys, take the lead.  Show your woman how proud you are of her.  Even if she is shy and nervous and blaming it on her culture, she wants to feel comfortable with you in public.  Let the “chorus of your world” see you with your arm around your girl.  Grant it, you can overboard on this.  J  Like Solomon leaning on his bride in this verse, I believe it is ok to show a simple sign of affection like holding her hand or putting your arm around her as if to say, “You are mine and I want the world to know that.”

d)                 There is a whole other level at which one can read this verse.

i)                    Remember that one can see Chapter 8 as a model of the second coming of Christ.

a)                  When I described Revelation Chapter 19 earlier, there is the wedding ceremony of Christ and his bride, and then is Jesus 2nd coming to earth.

b)                  Imagine the world seeing Jesus coming back and saying “Who is this, and who is this “bride of Christ” with Him?  Compare that to Verse 5 that says, “Who is this coming up from the desert leaning on her lover?”

c)                  If you think I’m taking this verse too far, hang in there, because there are more analogies to come.  J  You can also “just” see this verse in the application of publicly supporting the one you love and be fine with it.

10.              Verse 5, Part 2:  Under the apple tree I roused you; there your mother conceived you, there she who was in labor gave you birth.

a)                  Now in the middle of the verse, we have Solomon speaking again.

i)                    We know it changes because the pronouns change from the impersonal “you” to the personal “I” in this part of the verse.

b)                  Most commentators believe that Solomon is either describing an apple tree near the bride’s home, or they are actually at this place.  The text says this apple tree is where the bride was first conceived and born.

i)                    There are many theories on this one.  The bride may have described a particular tree where she was first conceived and Solomon was saying “let’s go there”.  (Again, it sounds a little creepy to our Western culture.)

ii)                  Remember the big-theme of this section is about getting away from the king’s castle in Jerusalem and getting back to the country.  Solomon may be using this phrase to reminisce about her home and a particular place that is special to her.

a)                  She probably thinks of that apple tree as something special.  That is the place where she was conceived.  Maybe it arouses her to think about it.  (The more I think about it, the more I think this girl is a little strange.  J)

c)                  The application to us guys is to find that romantic place that our girls love as a getaway.  It may be a fond memory from our past.  It may be a dream place that a young couple desire to be.  The talk of going to that place can cause arousal as much as being there.

i)                    Guys, you want to stimulate and excite your girls?  Just talk about a romantic trip or reminisce about a favorite spot.  That association is telling the one you love of your desire to be with her.

d)                 On the “God and Us” application, consider this passage from the Book of Jeremiah:

i)                    Now the word of the LORD came to me saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”  (Jeremiah 1:4-5, NIV).

ii)                  God is saying to Jeremiah in effect, “I (God) have perfect knowledge and I cannot learn.  Before you were ever born Jeremiah, I knew the exact day of your birth.  I have pre-destined you to be a great prophet.” 

iii)                Jeremiah of course, had the free will to say no to God.  God, in his perfect knowledge also knew that Jeremiah would accept that task.

iv)                With that in mind, let me repeat Solomon’s statement again:  “Under the apple tree I roused you; there your mother conceived you, there she who was in labor gave you birth.

v)                  It is almost as if Solomon is saying, “I was there when you were conceived.  My love for you is eternal.  I know of that apple tree.  Since the beginning of time, my perfect and eternal love has existed for you.  It is only know in this time in history that I have revealed that love to you and you have become aware of that love!”

vi)                That is what happens as we discover God’s love for us.  This is not news to God. 
It is only news to us.

11.              Verse 6, Part 1:  Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm;

a)                  For the next few verses, we are going to describe what love is like.

b)                  For those of you who know your Bible, this is the Old Testament “equivalent” of Paul’s 1st Letter to the Corinthians, Chapter 13.

i)                    That chapter is known as the “love” chapter.  Paul describes in that chapter what God’s love is like, and how we can manifest it through our lives.

ii)                  This section of Song of Songs, is a parallel passage.  It is describing God’s love for us with an emphasis on love in marriage.  I’ve pounded the point all through these Song of Songs studies how marriage is a model for us to study on the ideal love relationship between God and ourselves.

c)                  Let’s get back to the verse itself.  The bride is speaking in this verse and the next verse.

d)                 The girl is describing a seal over her heart, like a seal on the arm, signaling ownership.

i)                    In the same way we “brand” animals for ownership, there was a seal placed on objects signifying ownership.

ii)                  In this culture, the concept of a seal means everything that person owns is mine and everything I have belongs to that person.  That is the desire of the bride.

a)                  It is not about wanting all of King Solomon’s stuff, but all of his love.

b)                  The desire of the bride is to want all of the love of her man focuses on her.

c)                  One can see t